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Re: erlang-questions Digest, Vol 360, Issue 5

Onorio Catenacci
A few thoughts:

1.) As a native speaker of American English, trust me the word "coon" is extremely offensive.  I'm not trying to be hyperbolic but it's my impression that to African-Americans this word is almost as offensive as the N word is. I'm not a SJW and I'm not politically correct. I simply don't have any good reason to likely offend people when a less offensive term (like "Racoon") is easily available to use.  If you don't speak American English natively, trust me this is not a case of someone being hypersensitive.  It's a very offensive word.

2.) It looks like Valery simply decide to build Rebar3/Hex/Mix etc. with Python.  That's perfectly fine.  I'm not seeing anything much on there other than "we decided to rebuild rebar3 with python" and "we're going to build packages to work with our new build system" but it doesn't look as if they have yet.

3.) I also agree with Fred and others who say that all this discussion on the subtleties of political correctness and freedom of expression will get lost outside of this mailing list.  All this would do is give a black eye to the Erlang community and convince people who don't know any better than some segment of developers who use Erlang are racists.  Fair or not that's what will happen. Of course who ever said life is fair?

I wish I had a better grasp of the native language of some folks on this list so I could express how offensive this particular word is to people who speak American English.  Maybe if I said to Valery I were going to build a library named " КГБ" that might give some idea of how loaded with negative meaning the word "Coon" is in English. The fact that lots of Russian folks might find that particular phrase offensive--well they need to stop being so sensitive right?

If you want to continue with this library, please simply change the name to "Racoon." This is not about offending or not offending anyone.  Its about giving people the wrong impression by picking a name with a negative meaning in American English. Or if you insist on using "Coon" then use the word in whatever your native language is for "Racoon". 

I'll put it this way: I wouldn't name a library "Bitch".  Yes, it refers to a female dog.  But it's more commonly used as an offensive way to describe a female that one doesn't like.

I also wouldn't name a library "Ass". That word can refer to a donkey but it's so overwhelmingly identified with a pejorative slang term that native speakers wouldn't think "donkey"--they'd think the other thing.


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Re: erlang-questions Digest, Vol 360, Issue 5

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> how offensive this particular word is to people who speak American English.

There are offensive words in Russian, and they even form a sublanguage named 'mat'. But you can't find something like this http://coonlabs.com/ with any of such words, this is simply not possible.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Onorio Catenacci <[hidden email]> wrote:
A few thoughts:

1.) As a native speaker of American English, trust me the word "coon" is extremely offensive.  I'm not trying to be hyperbolic but it's my impression that to African-Americans this word is almost as offensive as the N word is. I'm not a SJW and I'm not politically correct. I simply don't have any good reason to likely offend people when a less offensive term (like "Racoon") is easily available to use.  If you don't speak American English natively, trust me this is not a case of someone being hypersensitive.  It's a very offensive word.

2.) It looks like Valery simply decide to build Rebar3/Hex/Mix etc. with Python.  That's perfectly fine.  I'm not seeing anything much on there other than "we decided to rebuild rebar3 with python" and "we're going to build packages to work with our new build system" but it doesn't look as if they have yet.

3.) I also agree with Fred and others who say that all this discussion on the subtleties of political correctness and freedom of expression will get lost outside of this mailing list.  All this would do is give a black eye to the Erlang community and convince people who don't know any better than some segment of developers who use Erlang are racists.  Fair or not that's what will happen. Of course who ever said life is fair?

I wish I had a better grasp of the native language of some folks on this list so I could express how offensive this particular word is to people who speak American English.  Maybe if I said to Valery I were going to build a library named " КГБ" that might give some idea of how loaded with negative meaning the word "Coon" is in English. The fact that lots of Russian folks might find that particular phrase offensive--well they need to stop being so sensitive right?

If you want to continue with this library, please simply change the name to "Racoon." This is not about offending or not offending anyone.  Its about giving people the wrong impression by picking a name with a negative meaning in American English. Or if you insist on using "Coon" then use the word in whatever your native language is for "Racoon". 

I'll put it this way: I wouldn't name a library "Bitch".  Yes, it refers to a female dog.  But it's more commonly used as an offensive way to describe a female that one doesn't like.

I also wouldn't name a library "Ass". That word can refer to a donkey but it's so overwhelmingly identified with a pejorative slang term that native speakers wouldn't think "donkey"--they'd think the other thing.


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Re: erlang-questions Digest, Vol 360, Issue 5

Karolis Petrauskas-2
Karolis

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Roman Galeev <[hidden email]> wrote:
> how offensive this particular word is to people who speak American English.

There are offensive words in Russian, and they even form a sublanguage named 'mat'. But you can't find something like this http://coonlabs.com/ with any of such words, this is simply not possible.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Onorio Catenacci <[hidden email]> wrote:
A few thoughts:

1.) As a native speaker of American English, trust me the word "coon" is extremely offensive.  I'm not trying to be hyperbolic but it's my impression that to African-Americans this word is almost as offensive as the N word is. I'm not a SJW and I'm not politically correct. I simply don't have any good reason to likely offend people when a less offensive term (like "Racoon") is easily available to use.  If you don't speak American English natively, trust me this is not a case of someone being hypersensitive.  It's a very offensive word.

2.) It looks like Valery simply decide to build Rebar3/Hex/Mix etc. with Python.  That's perfectly fine.  I'm not seeing anything much on there other than "we decided to rebuild rebar3 with python" and "we're going to build packages to work with our new build system" but it doesn't look as if they have yet.

3.) I also agree with Fred and others who say that all this discussion on the subtleties of political correctness and freedom of expression will get lost outside of this mailing list.  All this would do is give a black eye to the Erlang community and convince people who don't know any better than some segment of developers who use Erlang are racists.  Fair or not that's what will happen. Of course who ever said life is fair?

I wish I had a better grasp of the native language of some folks on this list so I could express how offensive this particular word is to people who speak American English.  Maybe if I said to Valery I were going to build a library named " КГБ" that might give some idea of how loaded with negative meaning the word "Coon" is in English. The fact that lots of Russian folks might find that particular phrase offensive--well they need to stop being so sensitive right?

If you want to continue with this library, please simply change the name to "Racoon." This is not about offending or not offending anyone.  Its about giving people the wrong impression by picking a name with a negative meaning in American English. Or if you insist on using "Coon" then use the word in whatever your native language is for "Racoon". 

I'll put it this way: I wouldn't name a library "Bitch".  Yes, it refers to a female dog.  But it's more commonly used as an offensive way to describe a female that one doesn't like.

I also wouldn't name a library "Ass". That word can refer to a donkey but it's so overwhelmingly identified with a pejorative slang term that native speakers wouldn't think "donkey"--they'd think the other thing.


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Re: erlang-questions Digest, Vol 360, Issue 5

Alin Popa
I guess that this guy needs to change his name to Josh Racoon now: http://coonlabs.com/about/team/josh-coon/

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Karolis Petrauskas <[hidden email]> wrote:
Karolis

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Roman Galeev <[hidden email]> wrote:
> how offensive this particular word is to people who speak American English.

There are offensive words in Russian, and they even form a sublanguage named 'mat'. But you can't find something like this http://coonlabs.com/ with any of such words, this is simply not possible.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Onorio Catenacci <[hidden email]> wrote:
A few thoughts:

1.) As a native speaker of American English, trust me the word "coon" is extremely offensive.  I'm not trying to be hyperbolic but it's my impression that to African-Americans this word is almost as offensive as the N word is. I'm not a SJW and I'm not politically correct. I simply don't have any good reason to likely offend people when a less offensive term (like "Racoon") is easily available to use.  If you don't speak American English natively, trust me this is not a case of someone being hypersensitive.  It's a very offensive word.

2.) It looks like Valery simply decide to build Rebar3/Hex/Mix etc. with Python.  That's perfectly fine.  I'm not seeing anything much on there other than "we decided to rebuild rebar3 with python" and "we're going to build packages to work with our new build system" but it doesn't look as if they have yet.

3.) I also agree with Fred and others who say that all this discussion on the subtleties of political correctness and freedom of expression will get lost outside of this mailing list.  All this would do is give a black eye to the Erlang community and convince people who don't know any better than some segment of developers who use Erlang are racists.  Fair or not that's what will happen. Of course who ever said life is fair?

I wish I had a better grasp of the native language of some folks on this list so I could express how offensive this particular word is to people who speak American English.  Maybe if I said to Valery I were going to build a library named " КГБ" that might give some idea of how loaded with negative meaning the word "Coon" is in English. The fact that lots of Russian folks might find that particular phrase offensive--well they need to stop being so sensitive right?

If you want to continue with this library, please simply change the name to "Racoon." This is not about offending or not offending anyone.  Its about giving people the wrong impression by picking a name with a negative meaning in American English. Or if you insist on using "Coon" then use the word in whatever your native language is for "Racoon". 

I'll put it this way: I wouldn't name a library "Bitch".  Yes, it refers to a female dog.  But it's more commonly used as an offensive way to describe a female that one doesn't like.

I also wouldn't name a library "Ass". That word can refer to a donkey but it's so overwhelmingly identified with a pejorative slang term that native speakers wouldn't think "donkey"--they'd think the other thing.


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Re: erlang-questions Digest, Vol 360, Issue 5

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On 2018年2月12日月曜日 19時47分05秒 JST Karolis Petrauskas wrote:
> Here you go: https://kurvasoft.com/

WHOA!

Now that one stuck out to ME as someone born in the U.S. who permanently resides in as East Asian a culture as one can possibly define.

This is a very tricky rabbit hole.

I'm going to name projects after random assemblies of numbers or characters or obscure color names from now on.

-Craig
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Re: erlang-questions Digest, Vol 360, Issue 5

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> https://kurvasoft.com/

Well, kurva is Polish for bitch, and obviously, this Indonesian company do not do business in Poland :)

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Karolis Petrauskas <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Here you go: https://kurvasoft.com/
>
> Karolis
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:39 PM, Roman Galeev <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> > how offensive this particular word is to people who speak American English.
>>
>> There are offensive words in Russian, and they even form a sublanguage named 'mat'. But you can't find something like this http://coonlabs.com/ with any of such words, this is simply not possible.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Onorio Catenacci <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> A few thoughts:
>>>
>>> 1.) As a native speaker of American English, trust me the word "coon" is extremely offensive.  I'm not trying to be hyperbolic but it's my impression that to African-Americans this word is almost as offensive as the N word is. I'm not a SJW and I'm not politically correct. I simply don't have any good reason to likely offend people when a less offensive term (like "Racoon") is easily available to use.  If you don't speak American English natively, trust me this is not a case of someone being hypersensitive.  It's a very offensive word.
>>>
>>> 2.) It looks like Valery simply decide to build Rebar3/Hex/Mix etc. with Python.  That's perfectly fine.  I'm not seeing anything much on there other than "we decided to rebuild rebar3 with python" and "we're going to build packages to work with our new build system" but it doesn't look as if they have yet.
>>>
>>> 3.) I also agree with Fred and others who say that all this discussion on the subtleties of political correctness and freedom of expression will get lost outside of this mailing list.  All this would do is give a black eye to the Erlang community and convince people who don't know any better than some segment of developers who use Erlang are racists.  Fair or not that's what will happen. Of course who ever said life is fair?
>>>
>>> I wish I had a better grasp of the native language of some folks on this list so I could express how offensive this particular word is to people who speak American English.  Maybe if I said to Valery I were going to build a library named " КГБ" that might give some idea of how loaded with negative meaning the word "Coon" is in English. The fact that lots of Russian folks might find that particular phrase offensive--well they need to stop being so sensitive right?
>>>
>>> If you want to continue with this library, please simply change the name to "Racoon." This is not about offending or not offending anyone.  Its about giving people the wrong impression by picking a name with a negative meaning in American English. Or if you insist on using "Coon" then use the word in whatever your native language is for "Racoon".
>>>
>>> I'll put it this way: I wouldn't name a library "Bitch".  Yes, it refers to a female dog.  But it's more commonly used as an offensive way to describe a female that one doesn't like.
>>>
>>> I also wouldn't name a library "Ass". That word can refer to a donkey but it's so overwhelmingly identified with a pejorative slang term that native speakers wouldn't think "donkey"--they'd think the other thing.
>>>
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